DP Singh’s moves matched with Fritz, claims Petrosian
Gopal, Jha win GM norms, six others earn IM norms
Anupama Bagri
Kolkatta, March 5: Even on the penultimate day of the Kolkata Open chess event, controversy around IM D P Singh refused to die down. After the representatives of the Chess Players Association of India (CPAI), it was the turn of Armenian GM Tigran Petrosian who after beating the highest-rated Indian IM today, said the player’s moves created suspicion and that they matched with those of the Fritz chess engine.
“Everyone’s been talking about him (Singh) in this tournament. I was scared of my opponent’s reputation too, so I exchanged queens and went for an endgame because it’s easier to play against a computer without queens on the board,” Petrosian remarked after the match.
The 22-year-old Armenian GM with a rating of 2592 added: “I offered him a draw on the 23rd move which he declined. Actually, I wasn’t surprised when he refused the offer. I’m not sure if I was playing against a computer, but then he made two moves, c6 and Nh6, in two minutes which is impossible for a GM to calculate in such a short time. A GM would normally take 15-20 minutes to calculate the same, or else he would be a world champion. In fact, I analysed his game with (Alexander) Fominyh and found that his moves matched with Fritz’s first suggestions.”
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At this point I believe DP Singh is screwed whether he is cheating or not. Once you develop the reputation of being dishonest, it is almost impossible to clear your name, even if you are change your ways or if you are innocent (which he probably isn’t, given the numerous allegations).
ooops, I meant the 19th century in my last post..not the 10th century!
“There exists no UNKNOWN device that could be utilized by a person OTB to cheat”
I suppose the obvious question is how you know this?!
Bit rich to call Petrosian a sore loser, since after all he did win the game.
Having said that, the cheating accusation is in the imagination of the headline writer. All Petrosian said was that in view of all the talk he followed an anti-computer strategy, and then that Singh happened to play a couple of strong tactical moves very quickly, which match with Fritz’s top line (or presumably any computer’s).
Percy
Please give DP Singh a break.
I assure he did not cheat.. otherwise they would have detected the device he use to transmit.
I dont know why he accuse me of cheating…
It’s kind of funny that anyone named Petrosian is accusing someone else of cheating (i.e. Curacao 1962).
If someone accuses another of cheating with no concrete proof, they are the ones who should be barred from chess!
Funnier still that Fischer’s hysterical anti-Commie rantings still sound a chord in the good ol’ US of A, Mr 8.35 AM.
Show me the bit in the 1962 rules where it says a pre-arranged draw is cheating (even supposing Fischer was right).
Percy
I think that when a player makes claims that their opponent has used computer assistance, the accuser should be make to ‘back up’ their claims with hard evidence.
Otherwise, it is the accuser that should be punished.
The article says that this Tigran Petrosian was named after the former world champion. Is he related? His son?
If it’s the real thing, Tig, then you should be very glad co’z you’ve won against two entities from the opposite side of the board – the human player and the computer! Whalla, hah hah hah!!! (But just keep quiet next time. It just ruins the game we all love.)
I would like to see the game… DP Singh appears to be 2250 FIDE without a program.
This is more PROOF that Kramnik is not the World Champion and that Topalov is. Not only do we have the bathroom visits, wires in the walls but now this! A former well respected World Champion would not claim something like this without merit. He would know cheating if he saw it having lived through the Spassky Fischer era. How much more evidence do we need that cheating is rampant in Chess and that we need to strip the titles away from all those who engage in it.
No more phony World Champions please !
[Event “2nd Kolkata Open International Grandmaster Chess Tournament 2007”]
[Site “Kolkata”]
[Date “2007.03.05”]
[Round “9”]
[White “Tigran,Petrosian”]
[Black “Singh,DP”]
[Result “1-0”]
[WhiteELO “2592”]
[WhiteTitle “GM”]
[BlackELO “2523”]
[BlackTitle “IM”]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.O-O f6 6.d4 exd4 7.Nxd4 c5 8.Nb3 Qxd1 9.Rxd1 Bd6 10.Be3 b6 11.a4 a5 12.Nc3 Be6 13.Nb5 O-O-O 14.Rd2 Be7 15.Rad1 Rxd2 16.Nxd2 Nh6 17.Bf4 c6 18.Nc3 g5 19.Be3 Ng4 20.Nf1 Rd8 21.Rxd8 Kxd8 22.Bd2 Kd7 23.f3 Ne5 24.Ne3 Nc4 25.Nxc4 Bxc4 26.Nd1 Ke6 27.Kf2 Ba6 28.h4 gxh4 29.f4 f5 30.exf5 Kxf5 31.Kf3 Bc8 32.Ne3 Kg6 33.Ke4 Bf6 34.f5 Kh5 35.Nc4 b5 36.Nb6 Ba6 37.Nd7 Bxb2 38.c3 Kg4 39.f6 Ba3 40.c4 1-0
I am just a fish, but I might have played Nh6, too.
I’ve noticed when analysing at the weekend swiss with a strong Master, who has an unusual style, that while the moves he comes up with are very good, there are certain types of positions where it takes him longer to realize that a certain move is strong, than even somebody 600 points lower who recently read Reassess Your Chess. But then this same master sees some 12 move forced win in under 3 seconds.
So accusing somebody lower rated for seeing a good move too fast, is not only mean, it is idiotic. There is not only one way of thinking that works in chess. It is normal to be much better at some moves than others.
And no, this Tigran Petrosian is no relation to the former (and dead) world champion. Wish he was though…would be nice to have that legacy still gracing the sport of chess.
What was the supposed link between Singh and Sharma, the other shooting star who was caught with a device in his hat?
I genuinely can’t make out if the Topa fan above was having a laugh or an absolute flatlining moron. Always the sign of a good troll, I suppose.
Is Tigran Petrosian the younger related to the other Armenian GM Arshak Petrosian, Peter Leko’s father-in-law? I had an idea there might have been some family connection there.
Percy
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Funnier still that Fischer’s hysterical anti-Commie rantings still sound a chord in the good ol’ US of A, Mr 8.35 AM.
Show me the bit in the 1962 rules where it says a pre-arranged draw is cheating (even supposing Fischer was right).
Percy
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Pre-arranged draws are illegal, though fairly common occurrence. But the original poster, though trying to agree with Fischer’s charges, clearly doesn’t understand them.
Fischer didn’t claim that he lost because the winners played too many draws. He claimed that he lost because the winners played easy draws, and then made up the shortfall by having games thrown to them by Korchnoi. Nobody believes that today, including, most likely, Fischer himself.
Korchnoi said in 1976 that Fischer probably said it in haste, and regretted it later. That they’d never discussed it between themselves, but had always been on good terms, indicating that Fischer probably changed his mind and didn’t bother to say so.
Today the details are dimly remembered and most Americans just want to imagine that Fischer should have won in 1962, without looking at it too deeply. Unfortunately, it isn’t so. Fischer wasn’t the best in those days, and wasn’t playing at the top of his game anyway. The reason he lost that tournament is because 3/4 of the way through, he still had a losing score.
Sorry Folks, I had to roll the Original Tigran Petrosian over on his back in his grave after this series of rants and posts…
🙂
It’s okay, we knew you were trolling.
If computer-comparison is to treated as a serious measure of cheating, then we need to do the following:
1> All players be equally scrutinized: all players moves must be checked against a computer and the match % recorded.
2> Overtime, develop a statistics of avg. % that most players tend to match (this, I expect will increase with the rating).
Only then should we entertain such accusations, otherwise such claims are baseless and must be ignored.
What goes around comes around lol. Tigran has been banned 4 life for cheating.