Black to move. Is this a win, draw or loss for Black? What is the best way for Black to proceed? No computer please 🙂
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Rxg1+ and black wins.
Wrong! It doesn’t work.
I believe Nf3 should win.
If Nxf3 Qh3#
If RxF3 R5h2#
If Kf1 Rxg1+
Ke2 Nf4++ and easy win gaining the Queen.
Correction If Rxf3 again Qh3#
yes Txg1 wins,I think this puzzle was unusal easy.1 Rxg1 Kxg1 2 Nf3 Rxf3 3 Qa3 and white cannot prevent mate on a1.Very easy if you see the waiting move 3 Qa3.
Rxg1+ and black wins.
1…Rxg1+?
2.Kxg1
… and White wins.
I believe Nf3 should win.
If RxF3 R5h2#
1…Nf3
2.Rxf3 R5h2+
… isn’t mate; White sneaks away with:
3.Kf1
Correction If Rxf3 again Qh3#
1…Nf3
2.Rxf3 Qh3+?
… isn’t mate either; White simply captures:
3.Nxh3
Black does have a win here, but neither 1…Rxg1+ or 1…Nf3 is sufficient.
Correction from anon 11.26 3 Qh6.
yes Txg1 wins,I think this puzzle was unusal easy.1 Rxg1 Kxg1 2 Nf3 Rxf3 3 Qa3 and white cannot prevent mate on a1.Very easy if you see the waiting move 3 Qa3.
“Qa3” isn’t a legal move — did you mean 3…Qh3? Sorry, but no cigar:
1…Rxg1+
2.Kxg1 Nf3
3.Rxf3 Qh3
4.Rxf7+ Kxf7
5.Qf3+
… and White wins.
ARGH! 3.Qh3 sorry.
We should all know by now that when Susan posts one of these it’s not going to be that obvious…
My suggestion :
1…Nf1
2. Kxf1 Rxg1+
3. Kxg1 Qh3
4. f3/4 Qh1+
5 Kf2 Rh2#
Ok,you are right but I think i got it now with another move order,Rxg1 Kxg1 2 Qh3 (still key move!)and how do white respond to Nf3 threat?
1…Rxg1. I bet my allowance.
WCM Claudia Munoz
womancandidatemaster.blogspot.com
1. … Nf1
black win
Some of those lines with Rxf7+, followed by Qf3 to stop the mate on h1, are interesting. I think some lines end with a win for White by … b7! and the Black pieces cannot stop the promotion. Highly amusing.
So far, I like the suggestion of anonymous 11:51:00 with 1…Nf1 but I have yet to work it out.
My suggestion :
1…Nf1
Bingo!
Ok,you are right but I think i got it now with another move order,Rxg1 Kxg1 2 Qh3 (still key move!)and how do white respond to Nf3 threat?
With either 3.Re2 or 3.Qd1.
1…Rxg1. I bet my allowance.
Claudia, I have to admire a girl who’s willing to back her convictions to a sensible limit 🙂 But 1…Rxg1+ loses to 2.Kxg1.
anonymous 12:37 thanks for your compliment but my allowance is still safe because you said that 1…Rxg1 2.KxR loses. But did you see 2…,Qh3 getting into position? By they way if you knew the amount of my allowance you won’t want to put in the effort, hehe. I like happy meals.
WCM Claudia Munoz
age 10
womancandidatemaster.blogspot.com
Claudia,
After:
1…Rxg1+
2.Kxg1 Qh3
… isn’t 3.Qd1 good enough for a draw? (I think that 3.Re2, 3.Ree1, and even 3.Rf3 might also save the day.)
PS – I’m probably older than at least one of your grandparents (maybe all four of them), but I like happy meals too.
I don’t see why white should reply Kxf1 to Nf1. Rf3 with the same idea of Rxf7+, Qf3+ preventing the mate on h1 seems to hold to me.
JL,
After 1…Nf1 2.Rf3
… Black mates in 5 with 2…Nd2.
Jim good idea, but After 1 … Rf3 I would play Nd2. It looks to be killer.
so, im right then, right?? 1…Rxg1i like the happy meal for the free toy.
so, im right then, right?? 1…Rxg1
Alas, I think we’re both wrong. 1…Rxg1+ doesn’t win, but it doesn’t lose, either (as I so foolishly asserted upthread).
The right move is 1…Nf1!
Nd2 does look to be crushing against Rf3. I was too caught up with direct threats for mating and missed that nice in between move.
I then realized that Rf3 is unnecessary in that you don’t need to threaten Rxf2+ all you really need to do is clear a path for the white queen to reach f3, so my thought was Re2 which clears that path and prevents Nd2 but this allows:
1. … Nf1
2. Re2 Qxe2
3. Nxe2 R5h2+
4. Kf3 Nd2+
5. Kg4 Nxb3
which puts black up a rook, and I couldn’t find a line that allowed white to win back material by threatening to promote since the knight on b3 is quite useful in helping to stop the pawns from promoting and white also either has to exchange rooks or lose a tempo moving his rook off the 1st rank.
Nf1 looks like a winner. Very nice puzzle in that white starts with a non-forcing move whose primary threat is a second non-forcing move!
1. … Nf1
2. Re2 Qxe2
3. Nxe2 R5h2+
4. Kf3 Nd2+
5. Kg4 Nxb3
… leaves Black up a rook all right, but there’s this little problem of:
6.b7
… left to deal with.
The winning line is:
1…Nf1
2.Re2 Rxg1+
Well, I kind of got a little late into this discussion but I here is what i got
1.Nf1!
And now
a)1…..Rf3
2.Ne2 and mate can’t be stopped.
b)1……..Re2
2.RxN+ KxR
3.Rh1+! KxR
4.Qh3+ Kg2
5.Qh2+ Kf3
6.Qh1+ Kg4
7.Qh5#
Well:
1.Nf1
1… Re2
2.RxN+ KxR
3.Rh1+ KxR
4.Qh3+ Kg1 (well previous anonymous it doesn’t go at g2:-))
5.Qh2+ kxN
6.Qh1 #
1… Rf3
2. Nd2
1… Ree1
2. Nd2
1… KxN
2.RxN+ KxR
3.Qh3 and mate to follow
no correct solution thus far …
@henryk is very close …
greetz
What’s missing, Vohaul? 1…Nf1 wins. If:
2.Re2 Rxg1+
2.Qc3 R5h2+
2.Rf3 Nd2
2.Rae1 Nd2
2.Ree1 Nd2
2.Kxf1 Rxg1+
Do you have some other White move in mind?
all the beauty of this study will shine after
citation:
(@henrik)
1….Nf1!
And now
2. Re2 RxN+
3. KxR Rh1+!(@henryk)
but now
3.Kg2!
instead of taking that rook is making things much harder for black…
^^
Vohaul,
How does that make things “much harder”? After:
1…Nf1
2.Re2 Rxg1+
3.Kxg1 Rh1+
4.Kg2
… Black mates in 5 with:
4…Qh3+
5.Kf3 Qh5+
6.Kg2 Rg1+
7.Kxg1 Qh2+
8.Kxf1 Qh1#
What am I missing?