Black to move. How should Black proceed?
r7/6k1/1P1p2p1/3Ppn2/3q4/1R6/6PP/4QB1K b – – 0 37
Karpov, Anatoly – Taimanov, Mark (Leningrad, 1977), presented by Andreas
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Ra1 Rb1 Ng3+ 0-1 black wins in other variations as well it seems
1…Ra1
2.Rb1 Ng3+!
3.hxg Ra8 black wins
If 2.Qe2
when 2…Qd2 looks good
1…Ra1
2.Rb1 Ng3+!
3.hxg Ra8 black wins
If 2.Qe2
when 2…Qd2 looks good
You sure about that? I agree that 2.Qe2 doesn’t save the day (2…Qxd5 or 2…Qc5), but White meets 2…Qd2 with 3.Qb5! and if there’s a win for Black I sure don’t see it.
1… Ra1 2. Qe2 Qd2 3. Qb5 Qxd5 4. Kg1 Ne3 wins
H
1….Ra1 2.Rb1 Rxb1 3.Qxb1 Ng3+ 2.hxg3 Rh8 mate.
Am I missing something obvious?
Kamalakanta
yes, blk has no rook left to mate with…
H
1… Ra1 2. Qe2 Qd2 3. Qb5 Qxd5 4. Kg1 Ne3 wins
Really? How does Black deal with 5.Qd7+? Instead of 4…Ne3? he should have played 4…Qd7+, which actually does win. But then again, what was the point of 4.Kg1? 4.Qd7+ looks good enough to draw.
he should have played 4…Qd7+,
Grrr. I hate it when I do that. Of course that was supposed to be 4…Qd4+.
okay, 4. Qd7=
but 4. Kg1 Qd4+ 5. Kh1 goes where?
what about 1. Ra1 Qe2 2. Qf4!?
H
but 4. Kg1 Qd4+ 5. Kh1 goes where?
1… Ra1
2.Qe2 Qd2
3.Qb5 Qxd5
4.Kg1 Qd4
5.Kh1 Qa4!
and black wins.
Pharaoh
what about 1. Ra1 Qe2 2. Qf4!?
1…Ra1
2.Qe2 Qf4
then simply
3.Rf3 and white is fine.
But 3. Rf3 Qb4 and white is not so fine.
H
pharoah,
5….Qa4 6.Kg1 and then what?
H
5….Qa4 6.Kg1 and then what?
6…Ne3 of course.
1. … Ra1 2. Qe2 Qxd5 does not allow the wh Qb5 and attacks the Rb3
1… Ra1
2.Qe2 Qd2
3.Qb5 Qxd5
4.Kg1 Qd4
5.Kh1 Qa4!
and black wins.
Didn’t we cover this upthread? I don’t understand 4.Kg1 at all — 4.Qd7+ looks like an easy draw.
1. … Ra1 2. Qe2 Qxd5 does not allow the wh Qb5 and attacks the Rb3
Whew. For a while there I thought I was going crazy with everybody else wanting to play 2…Qd2. Good to see somebody else who thinks 2…Qxd5 is much stronger.
pharaoh — It took me a while, but now I think I get it. You aren’t endorsing 4.Kg1 at all (after 1…Ra1 2.Qe Qd2 3.Qb5 Qxd5), merely demonstrating how and why it loses. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
1. … Ra1 2. Qe2 Qxd5 does not allow the wh Qb5 and attacks the Rb3
Even stronger is 2. … Qc5. After 3. b7 Qc2 black attacks the rook, queen and bishop.
One interesting detail abut this game. When it was played, Taimanov was 51 (he was born in 1926), and Karpov was 26 (He was born in 1951)!
Kamalakanta
1. … Ra1 2. Qe2 Qxd5 does not allow the wh Qb5 and attacks the Rb3
H
Even stronger is 2. … Qc5. After 3. b7 Qc2 black attacks the rook, queen and bishop.
Did you look at 3. … b8(Q) 4.Qxe2 and blk check, check, unclear
2. … Qxd5 wins
H
Did you look at 3. … b8(Q) 4.Qxe2 and blk check, check, unclear
Yes, after a few moves, white runs out of checks, and then it’s a simple mate in 1 or 2 for black.