Black to move. How should Black proceed?
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Black to move. How should Black proceed?
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1…d6 -+ I don’t think White can stop the pawn.
“1…d6 -+ I don’t think White can stop the pawn.”
Black can’t play d6 you dummy.
Sure, and when black is going to push his pawns white will just mate him.
Take the Rook (..Qxh6) preventing Rxh7, followed by …dxc3. White will have a hard time stopping the passed pawns and related threats.
Take the Rook (..Qxh6) followed by dxc3. White will have a hard time stopping the passed pawns and related threats.
White is threatening Rxh7 leading to checkmate. Black absolutely needs to stop that, and the only way seems to be Qxh6. Giving up his queen is not all that bad a move for black, since his d-pawn is pretty well placed to promote. Let us take this line further:
1. … Qxh6
2. gxh6 d3
Now how will white stop the d-pawn? If:
3. Qd4 d2
4. Bg5 Rxf1+
5. Rxf1 Ra1+
6. Ke2 Re1+
7. Kf3 d1Q+
and white needs to give up his queen. On the other hand, a better third move for white is:
3. Bg5 Rxf1+
4. Rxf1 d2
5. Qxd2 Nxd2
6. Bxd2
and white is now “only” an exchange down, a position of affairs very much to the liking of black.
Note that an original 1. … Rxf1+ doesn’t work, as:
1. … Rxf1+
2. Rxf1 Qxh6
3. gxh6 d3 (or dxc3)
4. Qc1
and black is lost.
Black has to prevent mate starting with rh7, so
1.. qh6
2 gh rf1
3 kf1 d3 looks like a win.
4 Bg5 d2
5 qd2 nd2 is winning
or
4 Bg5 d2
5 Qf6 d1=q+
6 kg2 qg4
7 kf1 ra1++
I am not quite sure about this one. Black needs to be very careful as white is threating to play Rxh7 followed by a decisive attack against the king. The idea of sacrificing the queen on h6 to get time to promote a pawn comes to mind first.
Let’s see:
1. -, Qxh6 2. gxh6, Rxf1+ (bxc3 3. Be7, c2 4. Qf6, Rxf1+ 5. Kg2, Rg1+, Kh3 +-) 3. Kxf1, Ra1+ 4. -, c2 -+ or better should be 3. Kg2, Rg1+ 4. Kh3, Kf8!? (now black has sufficient material to play this way) 5. Qxd4 (cxd4 leaves black with a passed pawn and allows black to play Ra3+ and play against the white king).
I am not quite sure if this really wins. I calculated around the move Ne3 (forcing fxe3 and taking away the queens possibility to defend c1) in combination with Qxh6 but I do not find any (more) decisive but what I posted above.
Let’s get back to other work which has to be done and return to this later.
Best wishes
Jochen
Did not calculate it through but 1…Rxf1+ followed by 2…Ne3+ might be a good way for black to fight back. If the knight was taken then black’s remaining rook and queen will harrass the white king, otherwise the knight might just hop to f5 and defend its own king. Not sure if this is right though but in a blitz game that would be my choice.
Beelze
1. …..Qh6
2. gh6 d3
3. Be7 d2
4. Qf6 Rf1
5. Kg2 Ne3
6. Kh3 Nf5 covering the mate at g7
Also,
1. …..Qh6
2. gh6 d3
3. Be7 d2
4. Qf6 Rf1
5. Kf1 d1(Q)
6. Kg2 Qg4 followed by mate on the back rank, and
1. …..Qh6
2. gh6 d3
3. Be7 d2
4. Ra1 Ra1
5. Kg2 d1(Q) with no defense against the mating attack to come after either Qg4 or Qf1/g1.
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Yancey, what if in your main line white simply takes the knight with fxe3?
Anonymous, take another look at the line. The f-pawn is pinned to the queen by the rook at f1. In other words, if white plays fe3, then black plays Rf6 taking the queen.
I don’t know about the Qxh6 lines being suggested.
Personally, I think if I were Black, I’d be a little desperate, and try the … Ne3 line.
However, 1… Ne3, 2. fe, RxR+ 3. QxR is not good for Black. The Rxh7 threat still exists.
So, how about:
1… RxR+
2. KxR Ne3+
If White refuses to take the N, Black has many lines, so let’s take the N.
3. fxe3, Ra1+
4. K to e2, f2, or g2
4. … Qh3
Now, if white proceeds with the Rxh7 plan:
5. Rxh7 Qb2+
If the white K had gone to e2, the choices are Kd3 and Kf3.
if 6. Kd3, Rd1#
if 6. Kf3, Rf1+
7. Kg3, Rg1+ (cannot take the Q because of mate threat on h8)
This transposes to the line below.
If the K went to f2 on move 4, then, after 5…Qb2+
6. Kg3, Rg3+
if 7. Kh4, KxR!
(no mate because the white Q does not have the h4 square)
if 7. Kh3, Qg2+
8. Kh4, KxR
Now White is the one that is getting mated on the h-file! The threat is … Rh1, followed by … Rxh2+ and White has to give up the Queen.
That seems to be my $0.02. What do you all think?
Hello aam,
looks like a (short time? decisive?) strong attack but I miss one line against Kf1-g2-h3 where the king seems to be safe for a short time.
quote:
“[…]
4. K to e2, f2, or g2
[…]
If the white K had gone to e2
[…]
If the K went to f2 on move 4
[…]”
How do you proceed after 1. -, Rxf1+ 2. Kxf1, Ne3+ 3. fxe3, Ra1+ 4. Kg2, Qa3 5. Rxh7, Qb2+ 6. Kh3
?
Rg1 comes one move late in this line and it seems to me black was lost?
I hope you can give that one line, too.
As posted yesterday I am not quite convinced of Qxh6 winning (I’d only say black is a bit better in my given last position) so I am glad to find another idea. I had Ne3+ in mind, too, but not with this (better!) idea of opering the white’s king position and had not thought of Qa3 which may be important. But as long as the white king can flee to give white only some little time I am not sure if black can handle white’s mating threats. Black’s problem in this line is that she does not have much time to proceed.
Perhaps we can also discuss a better way to proceed for black after 1. -, Qxh6 2. gxh6 as some given lines here seem to disregard white’s new threat (e.g. after 2. -, dxc3/e3) 3. Be7! [4. Qf6+-] and if f5 4. exf6 e.p. and there appear new threats: 5. f7+/5. Qc7! If black is not careful her king is killed even after sacrifizing the queen for rook.
Interesting one, Susan. Opinions?
Best wishes
Jochen
All you …Q:h6 doubters need to look at Yancey’s first line. It is pretty convincing.
The actual game continuation was
1. Q:h6
2. gh d3
3. Bh4 r:f1+
4. K:f1 d2
5. Qf6 d1Q+
6. Kg2 Qg4+
7. Bg3 Ne3+ (Yancey’s idea in his second note, in a different setting.)
and mate follows.