Now 2……Bb8 loses to Ne7+ with Knight fork of King and Queen.
Now 2……Kd7 loses to Nb8+ followed by Qxd5 and the undefended Queen falls.
Last try is 2…….Kc7 but it fails to 3. Qb8+ forcing 3……Kd7 and now 4. Qb7+ Ke8 and finally comes 5. Qa8+ and King must go to d7 or f7 where it falls to discovered attack by Knight check on b8 or d8 so last defensive try is 5……Bc8 or Bb8. 5. …..Bc8 6.Qxc8+ Kf7 7. Qb7+ if 7…..Ke6 8. Nd8+ Ke5 9.f4+ Kd4 10. Qxb6+ Bc5 11. Ne6+ Kc4+ 12. Qxc5+ Qxc5+ 13. Nxc5 Kxc5 =
MayanKing: u keep basing your variations on nb8+ but it doesn’t win the queen since black has ke6!
the correct idea seems to win the queen with qg8+ as the first anonymus said, only with 2.qa8+ instead of 2. qb8+? , and if black plays 2… Kc7 then white can choose between 3. qb8+ kd7 4. qd8 and transpose to his variation, or 3. qd8+ kb7 4. qd7+ when 4..ka8 is qa7X and 4.. bc7 qd5 falls
> ” Anonymous hat gesagt… > > Right answer is > 1. Qa6+ Kc7 forced > 2. Qa7 mate.” > > Nope. That’s just a pair of >additional moves after 2. -, Kc8 >3. Qa8+
Jochen, why so stubborn to deny a good and fast solution?
mayadi said,”Jochen, why so stubborn to deny a good and fast solution?” It’s not a good and fast solution, as Jochen noted. The attractiveness of this puzzle to me is that it reminds us to keep an eye out for options. It looks like a king-hunting puzzle, but is really a hanging (Black) queen puzzle, as several have noticed.
Black is so lost… hahaha…
1. Qa7+ Kc8
2. Qb8+ Kd7
3. Qd8+ Ke6
4. Qg8+ resign
I think your 2. Qb8+ loses to 2….Bxb8!. The answer is 2. Qa8+ and now you have the Queen and Knight discovered attack on hanging black Queen!
1. Qa7+ Kc8
2. Qa8+
Now 2……Bb8 loses to Ne7+ with Knight fork of King and Queen.
Now 2……Kd7 loses to Nb8+ followed by Qxd5 and the undefended Queen falls.
Last try is 2…….Kc7 but it fails to 3. Qb8+ forcing 3……Kd7 and now 4. Qb7+ Ke8 and finally comes 5. Qa8+ and King must go to d7 or f7 where it falls to discovered attack by Knight check on b8 or d8 so last defensive try is 5……Bc8 or Bb8.
5. …..Bc8 6.Qxc8+ Kf7 7. Qb7+ if 7…..Ke6 8. Nd8+ Ke5 9.f4+ Kd4 10. Qxb6+ Bc5 11. Ne6+ Kc4+ 12. Qxc5+ Qxc5+ 13. Nxc5 Kxc5 =
I missed the Qg8 idea
MayanKing: u keep basing your variations on nb8+ but it doesn’t win the queen since black has ke6!
the correct idea seems to win the queen with qg8+ as the first anonymus said, only with 2.qa8+ instead of 2. qb8+? , and if black plays 2… Kc7 then white can choose between 3. qb8+ kd7 4. qd8 and transpose to his variation, or 3. qd8+ kb7 4. qd7+ when 4..ka8 is qa7X and 4.. bc7 qd5 falls
sorry, 4. qd7+?? is Bd7, so I guess white should go for 3. Qb8+ and wins.
Right answer is
1. Qa6+ Kc7 forced
2. Qa7 mate.
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” Anonymous hat gesagt…
Right answer is
1. Qa6+ Kc7 forced
2. Qa7 mate.”
Nope. That’s just a pair of additional moves after 2. -, Kc8 3. Qa8+
Btw. after 1. Qa7+, Kc8 2. Qa8+, Kd7 white has another winning move. It is 3. Ne7+ which is much better than 3. Nb8+? Ke6 like proposed above.
2. – Kc7 3. Qb8+ of course ‘secures’ black against this variation so after this only the pointed out maneuvre with Qg8+ saves white’s day.
As many have stated, the correct solution is to force the black king to E6 with checks and then check on g8 winning the black queen and the game.
Jochen said…
> ” Anonymous hat gesagt…
>
> Right answer is
> 1. Qa6+ Kc7 forced
> 2. Qa7 mate.”
>
> Nope. That’s just a pair of >additional moves after 2. -, Kc8 >3. Qa8+
Jochen, why so stubborn to deny a good and fast solution?
“Jochen, why so stubborn to deny a good and fast solution?”
Because it is no a solution.
2. Qa7 “mate” is answered by 2. -, Kc8 “I can see no mate”.
And then we have
1. Qa6+, Kc7 2. Qa7+, Kc8 which leads to the same poition as the variation pointed by many others:
1. Qa7+, Kc8
So now tell me, what is the advantage of the “fast solution with mate” that in reality is a “slower solution without mate”?
Greetings
stubborn Jochen
mayadi said,”Jochen, why so stubborn to deny a good and fast solution?”
It’s not a good and fast solution, as Jochen noted. The attractiveness of this puzzle to me is that it reminds us to keep an eye out for options. It looks like a king-hunting puzzle, but is really a hanging (Black) queen puzzle, as several have noticed.
jcheyne
🙂 Then I guess I was to stubborn to miss the “non-mate” on c8