Black to move. What is the best continuation for Black? This is a game between 2 GMs and I purposely leave out their names 🙂
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1…Bg4: 2.Bc2: Bf3 -+
1…Bg4: 2.Bc2: Bf3 -+
1….Bg4
2.Bxc2 Bf3
3.Qc1 Qg5
4.Kf1 Qg2
5.Ke1 Qg1
6.Kd2 Qxf2
7.Kc3 and white is fine.
How about Bg4, and then Qg5?
How about Bg4, and then Qg5?
1….Bg4
2.Bxc2 Qg5
3.f4 +-
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1. … Qg5
2. Bc2 Qg4+
3. Kf1 Qf3
4. Qc1 Bg4 -+
I recognize this game. Let me just hint that this game was played in the Spice Cup tournament.
In the game Black played 1..Qh4
2. BxR Qxp ch
3. King moves and Nb6! followed by Qf3
1. … Qg5
2. Bc2 Qg4+
3. Kf1 Qf3
4. Qc1 Bg4 -+
4.Qc1 doesn’t look like such a hot idea. How does Black proceed after 4.Qa5?
In the game Black played 1..Qh4
2. BxR Qxp ch
3. King moves and Nb6! followed by Qf3
After 1…Qh4 2.Bxc2 Qxg4+ 3.Kf1 Nb6 what did White play? 4.Nxb6(?) Qf3 looks big for Black, but suppose White attacks the black Bishop with 4.Nc5 — now how does Black continue?
1….Qg5?
2.h3 intending f4 and white is better.
After 1…Qh4 2.Bxc2 Qxg4+ 3.Kf1 Nb6 what did White play? 4.Nxb6(?) Qf3 looks big for Black, but suppose White attacks the black Bishop with 4.Nc5 — now how does Black continue?
1…Qh4
2.Bxc2 Qxg4+
3.Kf1 Nb6
4.Nc5?? then Black checkmates soon.
e.g.
4….Bg4! threatening mate on h1.
White has no defence.
Pharaoh
1…Qh4
2.Bxc2 Qxg4+
3.Kf1 Nb6
4.Nc5?? then Black checkmates soon.
e.g.
4….Bg4! threatening mate on h1.
White has no defence.
“4…Bg4” isn’t legal — Black’s queen is already occupying g4.
1. … Qh4 2. h3 and I don’t see how white is winning.
1. … Qh4 2. h3 and I don’t see how white is winning.
Did you mean that you don’t see how Black is winning? Neither do I. But then again, nobody’s shown me why White can’t just scarf the rook with 1…Qh4 2.Bxc2.
“1. … Qh4 2. h3 and I don’t see how white is winning.
Did you mean that you don’t see how Black is winning? Neither do I. But then again, nobody’s shown me why White can’t just scarf the rook with 1…Qh4 2.Bxc2.”
Monday, September 29, 2008 3:14:00 PM CDT
Hi!
1…Qh4 2. Bxc2 Qxg4+ 3.Kf1 Qf3 ( Threatening Bh3+ and if 3. Kf1 then 4. Bg4. I do not understand 3…Nb6) 4.Qc1 Bg4! (threatening Qh1 mate!) and if 5. Kg1 Bh3 and mate.
Kamalakanta
1…Qh4 2. Bxc2 Qxg4+ 3.Kf1 Qf3 ( Threatening Bh3+ and if 3. Kf1 then 4. Bg4. I do not understand 3…Nb6) 4.Qc1 Bg4! (threatening Qh1 mate!) and if 5. Kg1 Bh3 and mate.
We covered this earlier. 4.Qc1? is a mistake, as you correctly point out, met by 4…Bg4!, although White can stall off the mate with 5.Kg1 Bh3 6.Qf1. The right move is 4.Qa5!
The point of 3…Nb6 is its coffeehouse potential: if White naively captures on b6, the edge passes to Black: 1…Qh4 2.Bxc2 Qxg4+ 3.Kf1 Nb6 4.Nxb6? Qf3! and now 5.Qa5 doesn’t save the day because of 5…Bg4! But of course White doesn’t have to fall for that: he can soberly play 4.Nc5, and after 4…Qh3+ 5.Ke2 Bg4+ his king has tightroped its way out of the mating net.
… should have added 6.Kd3 to that last line — sorry.
I believe this link to be thegame
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1508237
Thanks, Ogion! That clears up a lot of things. Such as: Black plays 34…Nb6 only after 33…Qf3, at which time the move has a lot more than “coffeehouse potential”; it legitimately threatens 35…Nc4, taking away the d2 flight square from White’s king.
But White still looks okay to me right up until the end. Was 37.Qg5 a losing blunder (37.R3a2!)? Or am I just not being objective, and White is really lost from the position given in the puzzle?
Anon 2:19, after 37.R3a2 black plays 37… Bg4 and nothing can prevent him to deliver mate with 28… Qh1.
A correction in a comment of mine above where i skipped a move :
After 1…Qh4 2.Bxc2 Qxg4+ 3.Kf1 Nb6 what did White play? 4.Nxb6(?) Qf3 looks big for Black, but suppose White attacks the black Bishop with 4.Nc5 — now how does Black continue?
1…Qh4
2.Bxc2 Qxg4+
3.Kf1 Qf3
4.Qa5 Nb6
5.Nc5?? then Black checkmates soon.
e.g.
5….Bg4! threatening mate on h1.
White has no defence.
Pharaoh
Anon 2:19, after 37.R3a2 black plays 37… Bg4 and nothing can prevent him to deliver mate with 28… Qh1.
After,
37…Bg4
38.Bd3 prevents mate but yet black has winning advantage with,
38…Rb3!
1…Qh4
2.Bxc2 Qxg4+
3.Kf1 Qf3
4.Qa5 Nb6
5.Nc5?? then Black checkmates soon.
e.g.
5….Bg4! threatening mate on h1.
White has no defence.
That’s all very nice, except that nobody has suggested 5.Nc5 in that line. (You’re quite right that it would lose on the spot.) The post I think you’re trying to refute actually says:
After 1…Qh4 2.Bxc2 Qxg4+ 3.Kf1 Nb6 what did White play? 4.Nxb6(?) Qf3 looks big for Black, but suppose White attacks the black Bishop with 4.Nc5 — now how does Black continue?
…
Anon 2:19, after 37.R3a2 black plays 37… Bg4 and nothing can prevent him to deliver mate with 28… Qh1.
After,
37…Bg4
38.Bd3 prevents mate but yet black has winning advantage with,
38…Rb3!
Hm. That does look pretty good. Maybe 34.Qa5 isn’t the miracle move I’d been thinking it was.
To anon 8:57:00 AM
The post I think you’re trying to refute actually says:
After 1…Qh4 2.Bxc2 Qxg4+ 3.Kf1 Nb6 what did White play? 4.Nxb6(?) Qf3 looks big for Black, but suppose White attacks the black Bishop with 4.Nc5 — now how does Black continue?
The thing is that that after 3.Kf1 black wouldn’t play 3….Nb6?
That is why there is this move interpolation, that is:
1…Qh4
2.Bxc2 Qxg4+
3.Kf1 Qf3
4.Qa5 Nb6
5.Nc5??
Pharaoh
1. … Qg5
2. Bc2 Qg4+
3. Kf1 Qf3
4. Qc1 Bg4 -+
4.Qc1 doesn’t look like such a hot idea. How does Black proceed after 4.Qa5?
—————-
4. Qa5 Bg4
if 5. Ke1 then Qe2#
if 5. Bd1 then Qh1#
I don’t where the problem is.
1. … Qg5
2. Bc2 Qg4+
3. Kf1 Qf3
4. Qc1 Bg4 -+
4.Qc1 doesn’t look like such a hot idea. How does Black proceed after 4.Qa5?
—————-
4. Qa5 Bg4
if 5. Ke1 then Qe2#
if 5. Bd1 then Qh1#
I don’t where the problem is.
And if 5.Kg1 then … ?
The thing is that that after 3.Kf1 black wouldn’t play 3….Nb6?
I beg your pardon — please refer to post #8:
In the game Black played 1..Qh4
2. BxR Qxp ch
3. King moves and Nb6! followed by Qf3
Dopa, the problem is :
1. … Qg5?
2.h3 intending f4 and White is better.
Pharaoh
To anon 1:49:00 PM :
The thing is that that after 3.Kf1 black wouldn’t play 3….Nb6?
I beg your pardon — please refer to post #8:
In the game Black played 1..Qh4
2. BxR Qxp ch
3. King moves and Nb6! followed by Qf3
No, please have a look at the game :
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1508237
Pharaoh
1. … Qg5
2. Bc2 Qg4+
3. Kf1 Qf3
4. Qc1 Bg4 -+
4.Qc1 doesn’t look like such a hot idea. How does Black proceed after 4.Qa5?
—————-
4. Qa5 Bg4
if 5. Ke1 then Qe2#
if 5. Bd1 then Qh1#
I don’t where the problem is.
And if 5.Kg1 then … ?
——————–
then 5 … Bh3-+
To Dopa :
then 5 … Bh3-+
6.Qg8+ Kg7
7.Qg5 +-