Black to move. How should Black proceed?
Vilela – Spiridonov (Varna, 1977), presented by Andreas
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Nc3 and if RxR+ KxB
I’m not sure but I think its 1… Nf6.
If white eats the knight, Black Rook takes white Rook and mate to follow…
If white 2. Rxd8+ Nxd8 3. (Q or B)xf8 Qe1+ and mate to follow
If white on move 3. moves any other move, then black can get a piece up… I think…
What do u guys think? 🙂
I’m not sure but I think its 1… Nf6.
If white eats the knight, Black Rook takes white Rook and mate to follow…
If white 2. Rxd8+ Nxd8 3. (Q or B)xf8 Qe1+ and mate to follow
If white on move 3. moves any other move, then black can get a piece up… I think…
What do u guys think? 🙂
Nc3 and if RxR+ KxB
ITYM 1…Nf6. So far, so good. But 2.Rxd8+ Kxg7? loses to 3.Qd2 (or even 3.Rd1).
yes, 1…Nf6 wins the g7-bishop.
The problem of 1. -, Nc3?? instead of 1. -, Nf6! is that after 2. Rxd8+, Nxd8 3. Bxc3! (or Qxc3!) e1 is defended which is not the case after 3. Bxf6??/Qxf6?? allowing Qe1+ 0:1
Nice and easy one. But would I see it in a real game? Not sure…
I would try f6, forcing White to exchange the bishop for the pawn.
Possible line:
1. … f6
2. Bxf6 Nxf6
3. Rxd8+ Nxd8
4. Qxf6 Qe1+
5. Bf1 Qxf1++
3. Rxd8+ is forced by White b/c 3. … Rxd1+ leads to mate.
4. Qxf6 should not be played, of course, then that would leave Black a piece up.
”I would try f6, forcing White to exchange the bishop for the pawn.”
Interesting try, but:
1….f6
2.Bh6! Qxh6
4.f4! =
White takes back his lost piece.
Pharaoh
After looking at … Nf6, I think that f6 is better.
Possible line:
1. … Nf6
2. Bh8 Kxh8?
3. Qxf6+ Kg8
4. Rxd8+ Nxd8
5. Qxd8+ Kg7
Now White can play Qd1 or h4 or whatever it takes to remove the Qe1 mating threat.
Not only that, but Black’s knight at f6 becomes very vulnerable once White removes the Qe1 or Rxd1 mating threats.
After looking at … Nf6, I think that f6 is better.
Possible line:
1. … Nf6
2. Bh8 Kxh8?
Not sure what to make of this post. Do you mean 1…f6 2.Bh8 (in which case Black can win seventeen ways from Sunday)? Or do you mean 1…Nf6 2.Bh8, after which Black mates in three, starting with 2…Rxd1+?
Inquiring minds want to know ….
I don’t think that f4 is fatal after Qxh6.
1. … f6
2. Bh6 Qxh6
3. f4 Ne2
4. Rxd8+ Nxd8
5. Qxf6 Qg7
White is a piece down.
White cannot play Bxb7 due to Rxd1+.
It still winds up as a bishop/pawn exchange.
Inquiring minds want to know ….
Ha. Yes. Trying to do this w/o a board in front of me and a wife who wants to discuss laundry issues is a bit taxing.
Nf6 works and is much cleaner.
Feldmarschal said…
”I don’t think that f4 is fatal after Qxh6.
1. … f6
2. Bh6 Qxh6
3. f4 Ne2”
ITYM 3.f4 Ne7
but you missed
4.Qb3+ K moves
4.Bxb7 and white is NOT a piece down.
Pharaoh
After 1…f6 (?) 2.Bh6 Qxh6 3.f4, Black has to give back one of the knights, so he may as well get a pawn for his trouble with the desperado 3…Nxf4. Whether that’s all good enough to grind out a win, I couldn’t say. It sounds like we’re all agreed that 1…Nf6 is the way to play.
1. .. Nf6! {blocks white bishop}
(If 2. Bh8 {as suggested by someone earlier} then: 2. .. Rxd1+ 3. Bf1 Qxf3+ 4. Qg2 Rxf1+ 0-1 {Mate})
(If 2. Rxd8+ Nxd8 3. Qb1 Kxg7 0-1 {black is 1 piece up})
2. Qc1 Rxd1+
3. Qxd1 Kxg7 0-1 {black is 1 piece up}